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thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. and that wraps things up for this hour. ali velshi will pick things up right now from washington. ali, what a terrible day. >> unbelievable. as much as i hear about the description of how it happened, each time i hear it again, it is really -- it's terrible what happened. but it was great to see that some people got involved in trying to make a bad situation a little bit better. but our thoughts are with those -- the gentleman who lost his life and the family of those injures. and i'll pick it up from here. i'm ali velshi. and lawmakers on buses headed to their retreat in west virginia after a chartered amtrak train they were on collided with a garbage truck. as katy said, one person in the truck died. an amtrak spokesperson said two crew members and two passengers have been transported to a local hospital with minor injuries. white house press secretary sarah sanders said no members of congress or their staff were seriously injured. at this point the cause of the
crash is under investigation. and the republicans retreat will go on with an adjusted program. republicans have a jam packed agenda after last night's state of the union and president trump made clear he wants congratulations to act on infrastructure and other critical issues. we'll break that down in a moment. but let's continue with the latest on that deadly crash. it happened just before noon. outside of charlottesville. republican lawmakers of theo theous -- the house and the senate were on the way to sulphur springs, west virginia. >> that is as high of a speed as we go in this area. so i don't know what that would be. 55, 60 miles per hour. >> i suspect my recollection was that is when we all got jolted. it wasn't from the hit of the accident, but it was when the train was stopping that we all got tossed a little bit. so the engineer stopped the train immediately. >> it is amazing how calm people
were. there was no screaming except for the kids that bumped their heads. just very calm. >> you heard the reference to the kids who bumped their heads. lawmakers were traveling with their families. kasie hunt made her way to the crash site. she's now at the charlottesville amtrak stain where they backed up to the train station to get the members of congress off. what is -- >> ali. forgive me, i want to interrupt you, because the train is pulling away and show you what we are seeing here. amtrak has removed the train. what you are looking at is the front of that train. so that was the first car in the line. the engine that was attached to the front of the train derailed in the crash. according to those that we have talked to after this has happened. so again, they towed this train, they brought in another engine and put it on the back and it is
now being driven back in the direction of washington, d.c. but ali, we have been trying to get these kind of firsthand accounts of how this all unfolded. that garbage truck i was talking to a local here who drives through that intersection quite a bit and described and we'll check this out for ourselves as well, described kind of a lip of the train track occasionally will catch on trucks or cause cars to bottom out. there was this garbage truck, everyone i talked to said they believed that this was an accident. i spoke to jeff flake who was involved in trying to help some of the injured people in this crash. he described the front of the garbage truck as being separated from the back of the garbage truck and the people that he tried to help were those who were on the back of the truck. as everybody knows, when garbage trucks drive around the neighborhood there is a men working on the back of it. he described the man who he believes was the driver who was
in the cab who likely had a safer position and that the man who was deceased was likely working on the back as well as the man who was critically injured who jeff flake himself tended to. i talked to him just as he had gotten off the train to board the buses to go to west virginia. take a look at a little piece of our conversation. >> they're brad win strop and dr. cassidy also were off and they were working on the man who -- the deceased, cpr was performed for a long time but didn't work. and then the other person was severely injured. so we -- they were working on the man injured for a quite a while, for about 20 minutes but he was breathing. obviously very s-- serious condition and they we got him on the stretcher after about 20 minutes and care youred him a
couple of hundred yards to another ambulance waiting. >> reporter: so a very difficult scene. and several of the members of the congress jumping into action and of two them doing it over again and jeff flake and dr. went strop who were also at the scene of the congressional baseball shooting where they tended to steve scalise and in another part of my conversation with senator flake, he recalled that there were some similarities and that he was remembering putting a tourniquet on his colleague and in that terrible incident. so we spoke very briefly to the senate sergeant at arms. there were senators and members -- house members on this train. and they were in part providing the security for all of this. there have been some questions asked of them about how it could be that they would not be aware of a potential physical obstruction in the path of a train carrying so many members of congress. they say they are still at the beginning of the investigation of this. >> and just to be clear, this
was a amtrak train that was chartered for the members of congress, there were no normal amtrak passengers on that train? >> reporter: that's right. this was not a passenger train. actually anybody could charter an amtrak train. they do this not infrequently, last year when the retreat was in philadelphia. they had no problems during that train journey. but this one they are heading down to sulphur springs, west virginia the, the site of the greenbrier resort so they were coming in the opposite direction. so a few staff members of congress and family members oftentimes members will bring their spouse or their kids so there were a lot of members who were worried about the family members that were traveling with them. and congressman occur bellow who i spoke to, he said that initially when this happened was there a little bit of fear or concern that it might have been something that was not so innocent as an accident. so i think everybody was
relieved that there weren't more injuries and that this was something that didn't seem to be nefarious in nature but everybody is saddened by the tragic death of the man on the garbage truck and thinking a lot about the man who is still hospitalized. >> thank you for your great reporting. we want to repeat that two crew members and two passengers on the train were transported to local hospital with minor injuries. one person is deceased and three people who were passengers on the garbage truck have been transported to the hospital with serious injuries. for more i want to talk with a lawmaker on board the train. standing in an aisle when it happened. congress chuck fleischmann from tennessee joins me from the bus heading to the retreat. how are you and your colleagues doing and their families? >> well we're doing better now, sir. we've left the charlottesville station and on the way to the greenbrier for obviously an altered retreat. but we are going to go forward
and have the retreat. but it is a very difficult several past hours. but most of us are doing better now. >> congressman, tell me about you. you were standing in an aisle. what happened? >> well, i was standing in an aisle and one of the members was actually speaking with someone in the seat so i was trying to move around them and -- all of a sudden there was this horrific impact and jolt and i went flying backwards. my friend congressman pete sessions told me that he saw me go backwards, we don't know where exactly i hit in terms of landing, it was not my head, but i got a little bit beat up. but i'm okay now. still a little bit in shock. but the magnitude of the impact and the events as they unfolded
were truly horrific. found out very shortly thereafter that the truck -- the train had impacted this truck and when we were going back to charlottesville the train went backwards to charlottesville and i saw the truck and the carnage and its with very sad. >> congressman, what did it feel like when it happened? where did your mind go and how did people react? >> well, most people were seated. so they reacted with almost shock and awe and it seems like we hit something. and i got doused with coffee, was all over me and i was -- i guess holding on to a seat about three seats up from where we were. so really i realized at first that i did hurt at first. and then just shock set in and
people stayed relatively calm, all things considered. actually, the doctors did a tremendous job. we have many of our members who are doctors. senators and congressmen. and we also have folks who were on the train with us who are medical personnel. the house doctors. they immediately went outside of the train and assisted. and i'm so proud of them. they did an outstanding job. my friend phil rowe from tennessee participated in that. in fact he told me about some of the stories afterwards. it is very sad. i know there has been at least one fatality and several critical injuries. so my heart goes out to those folks. >> we are sorry about what happened and of course we grieve for the man who has lost his life and we pray for those in the hospital now. but we are glad that you are safe, sir. thank you for joining us and we wish you and your colleagues a successful retreat. >> thank you, sir. wish you the best.
>> congressman chuck fleischmann of tennessee. let's talk about the agenda the republicans were heading to the retreat to work on. i want to bring in kelly o'donnell from the white house. the president had a meeting on tax reform with american workers. what is the next step after last nieft's state of the union. >> well that meeting is still going on. and we are told that the president did address the issue of the train accident. if i could continue with that topic for just a moment. this will be something where we'll have the tape brought back and shared with you when the meeting is concluded. that could be an undetermined amount of time but this is not one of the situations where there is a live capability to show the remarks immediately. but our colleagues who are in that session have mailed to us that the president talked about the horrific jolt that those who were on the train experienced. he talked about speaking with paul ryan, the house speaker and made the kinds of remarks you would expect when there is an
urgent situation like this where the president acknowledged the loss of life and the scary difficult experience all of those who were a part of that went through. he was in this meeting and this is still ongoing with a number of american workers as they are described who received some kind of benefit from the tax bill that became law that the president spoke about at great length in his state of the union address. so people who got a kind of a bonus or some kind of a -- an economic boost that they could directly tie to their employer's providing that. so that is a way for the president to be surrounded by the kind of working people that he often talks about representing and to show in a real way the faces of individuals who received such a benefit. that is part of what the rollout is. we aren't seeing the traditional old-school way of a president outlining policies and then traveling. in this case they brought individuals to the white house.
and of course the president will -- is expected to address the members of congress who are at that retreat if the schedule gets back on track. that is set for tomorrow if that in fact goes forward as planned. so it is a different way of rolling out of the state of the union but the economic message is what the white house is still trying to shine a light on. >> kelly o'donnell at the white house. one of the biggest issues in the president's speech was immigration. he sited terror attacks as a reason to end the visa lottery program. >> this vital reform is necessary, not just for our economy, but for our security and for the future of america. in recent weeks two terrorist attacks in new york were made possible by the visa lottery and chain migration. in the age of terrorism, these programs present risks. we can just no longer afford.
>> a few things we need to point out about the visa lottery program. first of all, the program allows about 50,000 people a year into the country. you must have a high school degree or worked in a skilled position and most importantly all applicants -- all for any resident visa in the united states are strictly vetted. we should also know that your chances of being killed by a muslim extremist in the united states are about one in 19 million. the chances of an american being killed for being muslim are 1 in 3 million. for more on the immigration debate i want to bring in doug collins from georgia who is at the republican retreat in west virginia. we want to talk about a couple of topics that are close to your heart. thank you for being with us. my thoughts are with you and your colleagues. have you started seeing your colleagues arrive? >> they have not yet. but i do want to say for those involved in this, i started receiving phone calls right after it happened and i've been in touch with members on the bus and the train and it is a tragic event and something that our prayers are with those, the
family of those who lost their life and seriously injured and all that was involved. it is just a tough time to start this retreat. >> it is. we wish you the best on getting some productive work done. let's talk about immigration. it was really one of the points in the speech, one of the few points where the president got negative reaction from the democrats in the chamber. because of the connections he made to the visa lottery and chain migration that didn't seem to ring true. u ultimately i think we have broad agreement that we want good immigrants in the country and keep bad people out and have lots of border security but there is a danger of con flating the two, visa lottery with the terrorist attacks and could hold back real immigration reform. >> well i think what the president was saying, he made the point about the issues that he did last night with the attacks and he did put those in perspective of what you have just talked about. but i think the bigger picture we have to look at here is the
over all immigration, whether it is not only those who have come across our souther border or border security but about half of the ones who are here illegally came on a visa we gave them. they are here legally and then they decided to over stay. there is so many different issues. but what i president was doing was making a security and good system being fixed but also what he did is he went back to the four points he wanted to see fixed and many other members of congress in addition to the daca -- and this is one part of the message. he talk about economy and prison reform. these are all parts of what he's trying to do. >> you and i talked about prison reform. that is another one of those areas that has broad bipartisan support. we incarcerate too many people in this country. and that is a sentencing problem. we don't really do the things in prison that could help these people reintegrate into society. the president has shared this view that this needs to be fixed. what does a fix look like and when and where might that happen? >> well hopefully it is going to happen very soon. we were pleased to see the
president last night talk about reintegrated folks back into society. this is a money and moral issue, about people who have made a mistake many times and trying to get their life back but the way our prison -- our federal prison system operates, they don't operate on systematic -- what our bill does is begins the process from the time they go into prison working a plan and putting the tools in place to find the skills whether issues of mental health or drug addiction or skill gaps in learning or capabilities so they could begin to make a progress report to get them to a workplace or half way house to get reintegrated. if we are putting them in jail and leaving them there, we are getting nothing in return. and this is why i think the president understands this. i've had long conversations with the white house and we're hopeful in the next few months to make a difference in people's lives ab that is what the president was trying to say last night. everybody deserves a chance and can make a mistake but when they come out, we want to make sure they have the tools and skills to do that.
we've seen it work in states and now trying to put that scientist approach in the federal prison. >> there are some states in which the biggest providers of mental health treatment are the prisons and there is something wrong with that system if that is the case. congressman, i appreciate the continued conversation and once we got something on the books we'll talk more. congressman doug collins, vice chair of the house republican conference. thank you for joining me. the fbi has issued an alarming statement that republican -- the republican memo about the russia investigation is going to do damage if it is released. we'll have the details after the break and we're continuing to monitor the breaking news on the train accident in virginia. that amtrak train carrying republican members of congress and senators heading to west virginia for the annual retreat and we'll bring you more as we get it through the hour. mom let me know she'd always be there for me. and she was.
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just a few moments ago and they are doing pretty good. the train accident was a tough one. tremendous jolt and they are proceeding to their conference. we don't have a full understanding yet as to what happened. but it was a train hitting a truck going at a pretty good speed and we'll have a full report as to what it looks like -- the driver of the truck was killed. it is very sad to see that. but they are going on to the conference and i'll be going to west virginia, a great state, i'll be going there. i'll be going tomorrow. and we'll be together. but it was a -- a pretty rough hit, is what they all tell me. i spoke to a few of the folks an they say it was tough. joining me today are some really great americans and i've been talking about reaping the
rewards of the big tax cut bill and reform. but the big tax cut bill and these are people who have the -- they've worked hard, they have businesses, some cases they are -- they are making tremendous percentage amounts more than they were going to before, or before the plan. and we thought we owe bring some of them up just to stay in front of the media and in front of the press to say a few words. we have sue wagner. thank you, sue. sue wagner is the bank of colorado, ft. collins, colorado. a great place. >> he's talking about -- he just mentioned that some of the people he's talking to are making tremendous percentage amounts more than they were before the tax bill passed. it is just not true. but any way. we'll move on to something else. we'll monitor that meeting for you. i want to get back to the memo. in a rare statement, it is very rare, you probably don't ever
remember this happening. the fbi has warned that the -- it has grave concerns over the expected release of a classified memo written by staffers of the house intelligence committee and chairman devin nunez. in today's statement the bureau said, quote, as expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about the material omissions of fact that fund. ally impact the memo's accuracy. this mirrors complaints that democrats on the commity have had to say there is cherry picking going on in this memo. this is not a legal document. it is a memo by the staff of the committee. republicans on the house intel committee voted to release the memo. saying it shows that corruption in the fbi is, quote, worse than water gate. but democrats say the memo is a political attack that does cherry pick facts to undermine robert mueller's russia investigation. the fbi's warning comes after last night when a hot mic caught the president saying this about the memo.
committee staff member of the -- of the house intelligence committee or a couple of staffers looked at that application for a warrant and wrote a memo summarizing what is in it. that is what this memo is. it is not the application itself. and as for what you just said a moment ago, people who are familiar with the application itself say, in essence, that the committee took sort of the worst things or the things that would put it in the worst light and that is why the fbi says that there are material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy about what is in the original government filing which is classified. so the filing is classified, the memo is classified, the question is whether the white house will acquiesce to the house intelligence use of a rule that lets congress put something out publicly unless the president objects. so that is what we are dealing with here. and the criticism of the
republicans is the application is tainted because it relies in part on this so-called dossier which they believe was questionable and partly funded by the clinton campaign and so for all of that reason, that say that this fisa application is defective and worse. what the government is saying here and again this is all sort of second and third-hand, is that is not all. there is a lot more that you're not gooding to hear about from this -- going to hear about from the memo and that is why the government objects and the fbi and justice department object. and if the memo does come out, as it appears likely it will, we won't hear more from the justice department or fbi about what is wrong with it because it is classified. >> that is not what they do. >> they can't talk about it. >> and so let's provide more contact. ali, you have worked with classified information on the uss cole attacko on the embassy in nairobi and dar as warm and
9/11. and your first book, i wish i had it with me, you have pages that are blacked out because you think sometimes this government has a tendency to overclassify things but you never decided that classified information is going to be declassified. if the fbi said something is classified, there is a process by which one has to go -- one should go through to get it declassified. >> absolutely. there is a process and you go through the process. and it is very irresponsible just for an individual to think if something should be unclassified to unclassify it themselves. and i think what we're seeing here is cherry picking of intelligence. the fisa application is a really thick document. and if somebody kind of wrote a memo about it, without reading the full application, that does not mean that they are being honest in their assessment of what that memo includes. we've seen before cherry picking of intelligence.
you remember the iraq war was sold to the american people by cherry picking of intelligence. you have to put intelligence in context to understand exactly what is going on. and ali, the fisa application is a long application. first of all, you have to identify individuals and identify a crime and then you have to identify all of the information related to that crime. then you have to put a process in place to what kind of monitoring you need. what kind of facilities you are monitoring. what kind of accounts or communications has to be monitored. and then it goes to approval in the field level after they -- after you get the approval in the field level it goes to headquarters approval and after it approved through the process and in headquarters to include an approval by the director, it goes to the o.j. and then it is approved by the attorney general. and after that, that application will go to the fisa court where it is heard usually by a judge. one of 11 judges on the fisa court.
and the judge and only that judge can approve the process if you can go ahead with the surveillance and with monitoring that number -- or that e-mail or not. so it is a very complicated process and the government and the fbi and the department of justice do not take that lightly. so when you cherry pick things, you could not think that this is not about transparency, this is not about corruption in the fbi, this is to cast the shadow of a doubt on the fbi agents and the d.o.j. officials, lawyers and -- and the mueller investigation. that is basically what it is. it is to create distrust in our institutions and in our system. distrust with the men and women putting their life on the line every day to protect this nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. >> ali stand by. pete williams stand by as well. i want to expand this a little bit to the role that russia is
playing in the larger topic of national security and for that i want to bring in ambassador wendy sherman under secretary of tate for political affairs under president obama and global affairs contributor. boyfriend go -- good to see you. and they said when you cherry pick intelligence, it could have disastrous results. and the reside and the -- the president didn't say anything about russia or the investigation and there are americans concerned about where we stand. forgetting about the investigation and collusion and the june meeting in 2016 in trump tower, there are real concerns that russia is a destabling force in democracies around the world and that is where our attention should be. >> absolutely. we've seen one deadly train wreck today. and our hearts go out to all of the families that are involved in that. but this is a very serious train wreck for the united states of america and for democracy. we had director of the cia
pompeo say no doubt the russians will try to interfere in the 2018 election and we see what russia is doing around the world trying to station itself in the middle east as the new power since we have retreated. they are trying to put themselves in the middle of the north korea mess that we're facing and the crisis in front of us. and the president doesn't move forward to sanction after the united states congress passed nearly unanimously and the president signed a sanctions piece of legislation and today, ali, senator ben carden and all of the democrats on the senate foreign relations committee have sent a letter to secretary tillerson, what gives and what have you done and how are you held accountable for what the law requires you to do. >> and this is side by side with the idea we continue to see a weakening of our diplomatic, our soft power. we still do not have an ambassador in south korea and the leading candidate is no longer a candidate for the position. >> indeed. and i know that people call this
soft power and where that came from. but soft power is tough power. it is really smart power. it is using a credible threat of force in service of diplomacy so we don't lose our wonderful men and women in the military. our diplomats who also put their lives at risk. and what is happened to the state department to truly devastate all of our foreign service, all of our civil service and our diplomacy and victor cha who was supposed to be our ambassador, he had the approval by south korea to come there, was taken out of the cue because he actually believes that although coercive diplomacy might be very useful, having a preemptive military attack on north korea, what is being called out of the white house a bloody nose attack, might lead us very quickly to nuclear war. >> and victor cha is not one who would describe as a dove on this. >> he's quite a hawk. >> and when he is not good enough to be our ambassador, that is interesting. ali, what did you make of the
president talking about guantanamo bay and not shutting it down. >> yeah, you know, i was really disappointed. i mean, this is nothing but lip service to a base. however it is very significant and very important. it is a failure of moral leadership and a failure to correct that -- that flawed system that we have down in guantanamo bay. imagine you have at least a few people who basically confessed on camera before they were apprehended about 13 or 14 years ago of the role and the biggest mass murder, biggest terrorism act in the 21st century, 9/11 and we still cannot prosecute them. they are still in a pretrial phase. a person that we know he is a mastermind of the uss cole attack, to murder 17 sailors, still waiting a trial in guantanamo bay. so there is a failure in that system and yesterday we just heard the president reaffirming
that failure instead of correcting it. there is also a failure to stop using fear as political tool. and unfortunately by keeping guantanamo bay open, we're just playing into this. look, ali, we had about 780 people in guantanamo bay and most were released. today under the bush administration, we have 41 suspected terrorists still in guantanamo bay. each one of the individuals, each one cost more than $10 million to host. $10 million annually. if you are looking at the federal system, the supper max jail for example, the super max federal facility, it costs only about $78,000 annually to host and house a convicted murderer. but a convicted killer. so guantanamo bay doesn't make any sense. financially it doesn't make any
sense. legally it doesn't make any sense. yesterday we heard the president of the united states, we heard the white house say they don't have trust in our own justice system. that is why they needed guantanamo bay. we had the president of the united states send a message to the world that indefinitely detention in guantanamo bay, indefinite detention in guantanamo bay is okay with the notion of the american justice system. that is a failure on every level and i was so disappointed to see that strain, that moral ethical and legal strain continues. i work in guantanamo bay, at one point it was a necessary evil, now it is not necessary any more. it is just evil. >> wendy sherman, where are we when you think about national security, when most people say what are you most worried about, things going on and experts tell me north korea, the middle east exploding, the -- the really
serious international and national security matters. where are we compared to a year ago? >> i think we're in a much more dangerous place. i believe in strength. i believe in power. i believe in a credible threat of force. but i believe in using all of the tools in the tool box and i believe in diplomacy. we only should use military force as a last resort. and as ali was just talking about guantanamo bay, i was thinking about it as a recruitment tool to increase terrorism around the world as opposed to draw it back and the president applauded the notion of keeping that recruitment tool on the table for terrorists around the world. which makes no sense at all. so whether it is guantanamo bay or having a military-only approach to north korea, we are in a much more dangerous place today than we were a year ago. >> ambassador wendy sherman and ali suvon and pete williams, thank you for working through that. the president made a big push for bipartisan in the state of union but by the looks of it it didn't sit well with
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let me give you a quick update on the deadly train crash involving gop lawmakers when their chartered amtrak train collided with a garbage truck. the president said just minutes ago the driver of the truck was killed. an actrack spokesperson said two crew members and passengers were transported to a local hospital with minor injuries and three people in the truck were seriously hurt. here you could see a picture of lawmakers helping one of the victims get over the tracks. now republican house and senate members, some traveling with families were on the way to a retreat in west virginia when the crash happened. i want to turn now to last night's state of the union. as expected, the president touted the economy and the unemployment rate for african-americans. but he also made a point to criticize nfl players who kneel
for the national anthem to protest police brutality. let's see if we can get that if a minute. until then, members of the black caucus were unmoved by the president' speech and many wore african kenty cloth after his disparaging remarks and wore black to bring attention to the metoo movement and congresswoman thanks for joining us. you wrote a piece for nbc think in which you say the state of the union is strong because of the president. >> the state of the union is exceptionally strong. because it was a wake-up call to all of us americans about the importance of democracy and participating in it and providing some push-back and resistance to the policies especially of this president and his republican majority.
>> what do you make -- it makes me nuts when the president talks about african-american unemployment because if he had a chart he would see it peaked in 2010 with other unemployment in this country and has been going down ever since and he has continued or -- the trend toward lower unemployment for african-americans has continued under the president. >> ali, the congressional black caucus was really appalled to hear the president -- number one, take credit for the falling black unemployment rate. it is been falling as you indicated steadily. but still, it is twice as high as it is for white folk. and it is certainly -- he didn't talk about the wealth gap between black and white. whites enjoy $111,000 of wealth versus $7,000 for african-americans. and the -- the other sort of
disparities that have plagued the black community forever. it also doesn't count those african-americans who in my state, which we have the highest incarceration rate of african-american men in the country and arguably in the world doesn't count those folks as unemployed and those who have just plain old given up. it is hard for me to believe that if white men and white people experience the kind of unemployment that african-americans experience, we wouldn't have some kind of marshall plan to solve this. and so we were very appalled to hear him do that. >> i was having a conversation with congressman doug collins of georgia earlier about prison reform and incarceration and sentencing. president did mention that in his remarks last night. this as you said, this country in general incarcerates more people than anybody thinks it should and we don't rehabilitate them. is there anything material that you think could be done? >> well, we had a wonderful
bipartisan group working toward justice issues. but this attorney general jeff sessions has moved away from all of the consent decrees entered in the obama and eric holder regime. we haven't seen any indication that the president is willing to work to lower the incarceration rates. we've seen an attorney general who started to crack down on legal pot and of course that is the kind of thing that snares young african-americans at a higher rate than others because of the -- the greater enforcement, you know, opportunities that police and in iner cities and so forth do. and so -- so we are not impressed with anything that he said last night with regard to
african-americans -- uplifting the african-american community. >> and the point you make about the wealth gap. the gap first of all between african-american unemployment and white unemployment or the average unemployment in the united states remains big. and the wealth gap is a more serious and more structural problem. for which we really need to pay attention. there are a lot of reasons why african-americans have not been able to accumulate wealth. and the unemployment rate is 6.8% and white unemployment rate is 3.7%. while they are both going down together. we're not closing that gap. >> exactly. we're not. and full employment is about 4% unemployment. and so african-americans are substantially higher than any full employment number. and again, it is hard to believe, if the president wants to do something about black unemployment, then he should have some sort of program,
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taxpayers. that claim includes the last three months of the obama administration since his inauguration, the bureau of labor statistics which how we measure those things which is how the president used to say before he was president that he doesn't trust those numbers shows there's been 1.8 million jobs created which would make it the slowest gain since 2010. with regard to wages they have been on their way up since 2014 and actually slowed during the first year under trump's administration. to talk more about this is bruce bart let, assistant secretary for economic policy in the george h.w. bush administration. also the author of truth matters, citizens guide separating facts from lies and stopping fake news in its tracks. bruce, the frustration may be there are things we should give the president credit for but we spend most of our time telling you what he said that wasn't true about the economy. the truth is there are fewer jobs created in the first year than the year before. how much of that has to do with the fact we've done well with
jobs recently? we've gotten to a low unemployment rate? >> well, he's taken credit for trends that have been going on for a long time. and unfortunately that's just the way it works. you get credit or blame for whatever happens on your watch, and obama had a lot of really bad luck and trump is having an awful lot of good luck. at least so far. but there is a lot of shoes still left to drop, the feds tightening, wages are starting to rise which puts upward pressure on prices. the deficit is blowing through the roof and he's planning on running an even bigger deficit. >> right. >> with his infrastructure program. so, i think it's really only a matter of time before people start using the "i" word, inflation, and that's going to change a lot of political and economic dynamics. >> let's talk a little about the potential deficit, the president argues that his tax cuts are going to stimulate such remarkable economic growth that it won't create the deficit that some organizations have measured that the tax cuts will create.
but we're seeing growth that is as good as the united states or better around the world. so, the growth right now may or may not work that way, but you have made the argument as many have made that this is part of a republican play book. let the deficit increase, and use that as a reason to cut back on the size of government. >> oh, i think that's absolutely inevitable. i think all of the deficit hawk groups that have been very quiet during the tax cut debate are just, you know, itching to get out there and start talking about slashing medicare, medicaid, social security and i think there's a lot of republicans who are very receptive and looking for an opportunity. but i don't think trump is going to give it to them. i don't think he's going to go after those programs which means they're really going -- >> that's the worst of all worlds. the hawks don't get their cuts and the did he ever s and the deficit increases. >> that's exactly right. i don't see how we can avoid
that. i think we've needed fiscal stimulus for a long time. it may be this is finally what gets us off -- i mean, we've been doing okay, but let's face it, we haven't been doing that well. >> right. >> and i think we've needed fiscal stimulus for quite sometime. i would rather it was in the form of public works, but we may get that, too. so, this may be the start of a perfect storm of reigniting inflation. >> so -- but could it work the way the president and his supporters say it could work? cut taxes, companies are bringing money back, a lot of them are paying bonuses, that's not the same as a wage increase. they're paying bonuses. could it make everybody feel good, go out and buy washing machines and cars whatever it is? >> it's quite possible, quite possible. there is no chance whatsoever we're going to do so much better that we're not going to have a huge increase in the deficit because of the tax cut. and i think you are going to see a lot of republicans in congress, at least, talk about cutting programs because that's in their dna.
>> what do you think about the president -- he still talks about, i'm surprised the president stim talks about getting to 4, 5, or 6% growth. i thought he would have dropped that kind of talk once he got elected. he still says it. >> if he's talking about real growth we're not going to get anywhere near that. nominal growth, i don't know. again, inflation raises nominal growth and that's really what's important for tax revenue. so, we may do little better than expected. >> bruce, always good to see you. bruce bart let is former assistant secretary of economic policy understand the george h.w. bush. his book is truth and stopping lies in its tracks. brand-new video of the scene involving an amtrak train garying gop members. it ran into a garbage truck. that's the engine of the train you were looking at. you can see crew members making their way around the scene. the white house says one person in the truck was killed. three others are in serious condition.
i want to bring in one of the lawmakers who was on that train. good friend of our show, north carolina congressman republican congressman pittinger. congressman, i'm glad to hear you're safe. so sorry to hear about this accident. a life was lost ask there are people injured. how are you? >> hi, ali, thank you. it's been a very sad day, you know, we're all really mourning for that family, the children and spouse won't have their dad, you know, coming home. i just pray that the other driver that was in the truck as well, that he is able to make it. there's a lot of work on the ground trying to resuscitate him. it's been an emotional day for all of us because, you know, our issues are inconsequential. a few bruises, bumps, that's not a big deal. >> sir, we're looking at
pictures right now. we're looking at pictures you sent in to us. this was supposed to be the beginning of a retreat. some of you have taken your families with you. a time for a little relaxation and regrouping and i'm just looking at these images. that's got to be very jarring for all of you. >> it sure is, you know. yes, there's a lot of small kids here on the train. families pay their own way. there's no taxpayer money involved in this whatsoever. but it was a time to come together as a republican family and plan for the year, something we do every year somewhere. and of course, the president, vice-president will be there, secretary mattis, secretary tillerson, ambassador haley and many others. it's for planning, coming together. senate members are joining us from the republican side. so, it's a heavy lift, heavy start for all of us. >> congressman, i'm glad to hear that you are safe, but we are
sorry for the loss of life and for those who are injured. our hearts and thoughts are with them. robert pittinger is republican from north carolina. i'll tell you just to fill you in on what was going on, this train was chartered by republicans to take them to white sulfur springs, west virginia, the green briars resort some of you may know of. it was on its way right around charlottesville, virginia when it hit that trash truck that you see in front of you. it does seem that there were about four injuries of people on the train, not particularly serious, but in that truck the one person was killed, three people are in serious condition and are hospitalized. we'll continue to cover the story for you. that does it for me this hour here in washington. i'm going to see you from new york tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern with my friend stec stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. deadline white house with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone.
it's 4:00 in new york. the fbi going to the mattresses today to protect the integrity of the nation's top law enforcement agency. and the classified information it relies upon to prevent terrorist attacks and counter enemies of the united states. at issue, a memo that the republicans on the house intel committee and the white house want released. the fbi releasing an extraordinary statement this afternoon that reads, quote, we have grave concerns about the material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy. this follows a hot mic moment from president trump after last night's state of the union in which he appears to put the odds at 100% that he will release the memo. >> release the memo? >> don't worry. 100%. >> can you imagine that? >> yes, sir. >> the fbi statement is a last-ditch effort to change hearts and minds after fbi director chris wray and deputy